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As I get into this late game, I start running a deficit propped up by space resources sales. The latest patch seem to have undone all the space resource selling techs that I researched. Basic metal is back to 85 cents

I'm afraid you're the victim of a bugfix. Those techs had been far stronger than intended (and far stronger than their associated text would indicate), and the formula was corrected. Baseline metals cost at campaign start is 0.5 spacebucks per unit, so .89 is a meaningful increase. (Those values are also sensitive to how much is sold to Earth as well as economic activity on Earth).

johnnylump wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:02 pm I'm afraid you're the victim of a bugfix. Those techs had been far stronger than intended (and far stronger than their associated text would indicate), and the formula was corrected. Baseline metals cost at campaign start is 0.5 spacebucks per unit, so .89 is a meaningful increase. (Those values are also sensitive to how much is sold to Earth as well as economic activity on Earth).

But this pretty much kills any point in selling resources as a mechanic. At those price levels, it's pointless. Supercoliders generate less cash than nanomanufacturies, fissles can't generate any notable income, exotics you will maybe get 2k of, so whole 200k if you sell every single bit of it, so maybe it will fund a year of deficit.

I agree, selling them is usually pointless, now. On the other hand it greatly elevates importance of Boost in later game, which is nice.

last patch on validation addressed this

2alexey wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 5:43 pm

johnnylump wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:02 pm I'm afraid you're the victim of a bugfix. Those techs had been far stronger than intended (and far stronger than their associated text would indicate), and the formula was corrected. Baseline metals cost at campaign start is 0.5 spacebucks per unit, so .89 is a meaningful increase. (Those values are also sensitive to how much is sold to Earth as well as economic activity on Earth).

But this pretty much kills any point in selling resources as a mechanic. At those price levels, it's pointless. Supercoliders generate less cash than nanomanufacturies, fissles can't generate any notable income, exotics you will maybe get 2k of, so whole 200k if you sell every single bit of it, so maybe it will fund a year of deficit.

Okay, I apologise in advance if this is a silly thing to say because I have not as yet got this far - but here's a thought:
Don't run at a deficit?? So far I have only ever run out of money once and that was because I made mistakes but since then - even though at times things were bloody tight - I have never run at a deficit. There are always Nations you can wreck for the cash

neilwilkes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 9:34 am

2alexey wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 5:43 pm

johnnylump wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:02 pm I'm afraid you're the victim of a bugfix. Those techs had been far stronger than intended (and far stronger than their associated text would indicate), and the formula was corrected. Baseline metals cost at campaign start is 0.5 spacebucks per unit, so .89 is a meaningful increase. (Those values are also sensitive to how much is sold to Earth as well as economic activity on Earth).

But this pretty much kills any point in selling resources as a mechanic. At those price levels, it's pointless. Supercoliders generate less cash than nanomanufacturies, fissles can't generate any notable income, exotics you will maybe get 2k of, so whole 200k if you sell every single bit of it, so maybe it will fund a year of deficit.

Okay, I apologise in advance if this is a silly thing to say because I have not as yet got this far - but here's a thought:
Don't run at a deficit?? So far I have only ever run out of money once and that was because I made mistakes but since then - even though at times things were bloody tight - I have never run at a deficit. There are always Nations you can wreck for the cash

Why post a silly thing then?
You get money by spending IPs, or boost or metals or metals and fissles, with different outcomes depending on refining method, and different risks asociated. If one of methods of deficit management that used to be perfectly viable, but was nerfed beyond the point of viability well it doesn't need to exist and can just be cut.

Used to have safe but inefficient funding, bad in the long run but potent in short spoils, space infrastructure but ony over habitable planets that consumes boost, space infrastructure anywhere but consumes metals, and massive space infrastructure that requires expensive tech, consumes metals and fissles, needs to be defended, but if it works, it generates incredible profit.
Nerfing sales of antimatter and resources as makes game far more stale, and limits your options. It just means spam more stations with insert method of cash generation.

neilwilkes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 9:34 am There are always Nations you can wreck for the cash

No, there aren't when you have eg. -5800 cash per day in the late game because you develop so fast in space that you can't provide enough Boost on Earth to maintain space infrastructure needed to pay for itself. You can see results of such a development here.