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Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:37 pm
by RXTXK
A silly competition to see who can theorycraft the biggest hit.
Has to be a single shot that would show as one damage number in the UI so no cyclic fire, double tap, etc

My opening offer is an assault hitting a zero armor mechanical:

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Max Shotgun		  16
Crit			   	 8
Center mass (AWC)	1
Lethal (AWC)		  2
Bluescreen			 3
Vital point			3
Bring Em On		   8
Sub Total			 41
Killer Instinct    20.5
Street Sweeper	  20.5
Total              82

Re: Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:09 pm
by Arantir
Lethal shouldn't be available via AWC for assaults, they've already got it in the perk tree. Hunter's Instincts is possible though.
Also I'm pretty sure that Killer Instinct gives +50% only for the crit damage and any fractions get rounded down.

The highest possible damage should be Street Sweeper on organic ruptured flanked target with the above bonuses, HI insted of Lethal, Flechette/Needle/Stiletto rounds + Combined Arms officer aura bonus.
Not sure about the exact damage number though.

Re: Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:47 am
by RADIALTHRONE1
You can rupture the target for more damage.
Anything you need to do beyond that is getting into mod territory.

Re: Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:26 am
by trihero
Couldn't you theoretically coup de grace a 100 hp archon king?

Re: Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:35 am
by jfoevv820ueb
I don't think that coup de grace actually does any damage, it just kills the enemy.

Re: Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:03 am
by trihero
I think it works like kubikiri where it actually does damage equal to their hp + armor (and maybe even more), and that is how it kills them. It's just that I don't know if coup de grace does less damage against alien rulers or not (kubikiri says in tooltip it does less damage vs certain targets).

Re: Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:30 am
by Tuhalu
The function that deals the damage for Coup de grace returns:

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int(TargetUnit.GetCurrentStat(eStat_HP)+TargetUnit.GetCurrentStat(eStat_ShieldHP));
So looks likes it does damage equal to the targets current health and shield and does not penetrate armor. It's function is based on Kubikiri, but they didn't change it when they fixed Kubikiri to penetrate armor.

Kubikiri's damage functions returns this on success:

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int(TargetUnit.GetCurrentStat(eStat_HP)+TargetUnit.GetCurrentStat(eStat_ShieldHP)+TargetUnit.GetCurrentStat(eStat_ArmorMitigation)+5);
As you can see, Kubikiri is doing damage equal to health, shield and armor +5.

Re: Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:46 am
by Arantir
Does it mean that Coup de Grace won't kill armored targets unless you pick Cutthroat? It kinda makes it even more useless.
And Kubikiri doesn't work at all after the fix for some reason... at least for me. I was pretty excited when my Sharpshhoter got Shadowstrike via AWC to guarantee crits but this thing just keep doing regular damage.

Re: Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:09 am
by Tuhalu
Cutthroat only works on armored biological enemies. So against robots, Coup de Grace is still not going to one-shot them (unless their armor is removed some other way).

Re: Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:15 am
by trihero
So then coup de grace (with cut throat) is the winner of this thread on a full hp archon king (I think the last one I fought had 96 hp with 5 armor or something). Maybe could even squeeze in a bit more damage with holotargeter's damage bonus and someone who ruptures the archon king with a weak weapon so as to only do 1 point of damage through armor as the set up, in exchange for +3 damage for coup de grace.

Re: Biggest hit, can anyone do better than 82

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:30 pm
by bountygiver
combined arms give additional +1 base damage.

Vital point targeting is also calculated AFTER the x2 damage from killer instinct/street sweeper because of effects resolve order (source before target), it is also +2 not +3
So the current max is 80 not 82

But instead of using bluescreen you can use needle/flettche + hunter's instinct instead for total of +4 instead of +3, raising 80 back to 82.