Yes those things are powerful. But any class can kill an exposed unit that I don't need to flank.trihero wrote:Let's dispense with the cute sayings like "I dare your games are much easier"; I think the issue here is you are just not thinking about obvious things that I use in my game. I'm sure you can think of these things, which I use:Goumindong wrote:Shinobi. In general too.
As for moving how else do you get your ranger in a position to shoot at flanked units? Do units regularly just flank themselves for your Rangers? I dare to say that your games must be much easier than mine.
I set up flank with one of the following
Gunners - > demolition, sat fire
Grenadiers -> blow up cover
Technicals -> blow up cover
exo suits shredder gun -> blow up cover
In addition, without having to rely on cover destruction:
So uhh I retain the move + overwatch combo, make it stronger, and activate it earlier. So not sure what the issue is.- I ever vigiliant/rapid reaction flank, which is awesome, it's essentially like CCS but the ranger has CUP and rapid reaction doesn't have a 4 tile limit
- Move + rapid fire on ranger is better than move + rapid fire on shinobi (rangers have better aim and use rifles, shinobis with smgs + hunter's instincts are a poor man's version of this)
Not only is your point about rangers being "outclassed" at flanking incomplete/wrong, but also there are plenty of units that can't be flanked where now the shinobi just looks downright bad:
archons, chrysallids, drones, sectopods, gatekeepers, bersekers, chrysallids, turrets, and I'm sure there's more I missed. Rangers are amazing for those types of enemies in addition to being fine against flanked targets.
For flanking Shinobi have better aim and do more damage than Rangers. Rangers are +10 if vs a target they have shot or if they're vs a target under 1/2 HP. Shinobi get +10 on every shot. This puts Shinobi at +10 over Rangers early, at MSGT assuming combat fitness they're still 2 (26 vs 24). Shinobi get more damage due to hunters instinct. (Which is nealry as powerful as a guaranteed crit by itself). Shinobi can equip rifles. They aren't weapon restricted to SMG.