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Severian wrote:Given the huges changes to Perks, does anyone know what would happen to a 1.2 save game if loaded in 1.3? Will it just break?

• Liberation missions are getting a little bit easier (one or two less alert levels each), while completing a Tower Mission (free radio relay) and the HQ assault (reliable source of corpses and resources, plus doom reduction) give better rewards. Result: Liberation is an even more attractive goal than before.
• Hiding does something. The fewer rebels on jobs, the faster vigilance decays in a region. Nice and intuitive.
• The changes to how retaliations trigger means the late game won't be as absolutely flooded with retaliations as it has been, which will be nice. It will also be far less simple to avoid minor retaliations in the mid-game.
• Supply Raids and Troop Columns are going to be harder to detect (and less rewarding), but hopefully that's balanced out by more accessible liberations and the Smash'n'Grab mission. Also, you can only bring 8 men on Supply Raids, UFOs and some guerilla missions now.
• The different ammo types feel like they are mostly sidegrades now with their own niches rather than some being the best always.
• Plasma weapons have their own little quirk now to make them more obviously the strongest weapons (1 point of rupture) and end-game enemies are balanced to make them attractive.
• Psi Operatives sound like they are getting every buff they needed to make them actually useful, including: faster tube times, faster infiltration, better scaling damage, lower cooldowns and a raft of new special effects on particular perks.
• Significant changes to Shinobi and Sharpshooter to make more of their perks useful and more varied builds worthwhile. Technicals scale better into the end-game.
• More time to accomplish missions, less punishing reinforcement schedules and smaller pods making 4-5 man groups much easier to run.
• Underinfiltration much less desirable (enemies get more reflex actions on pod activation, more effects on enemy detection radius and on some missions it will prevent concealed starts, reinforcements start bigger), but probably still doable when needed.
• You get infiltration bonuses for taking fewer utility items.
• Easy 1 turn evacs are gone. You'll need to get the Officer ability Air controller if you want lightning fast evacs!

- Increased Andromedon, Cyberus, Chryssalid appearance weights. Chryssalids can happen a little earlier.

Also, anyone know what a Cyberus is?

Blathergut wrote:all these changes sure make you want to play it...maybe we could all sign up to test it

Tuhalu wrote:It feels like things are moving in a good direction.

• Liberation missions are getting a little bit easier (one or two less alert levels each), while completing a Tower Mission (free radio relay) and the HQ assault (reliable source of corpses and resources, plus doom reduction) give better rewards. Result: Liberation is an even more attractive goal than before.
• Hiding does something. The fewer rebels on jobs, the faster vigilance decays in a region. Nice and intuitive.
• The changes to how retaliations trigger means the late game won't be as absolutely flooded with retaliations as it has been, which will be nice. It will also be far less simple to avoid minor retaliations in the mid-game.
• Supply Raids and Troop Columns are going to be harder to detect (and less rewarding), but hopefully that's balanced out by more accessible liberations and the Smash'n'Grab mission. Also, you can only bring 8 men on Supply Raids, UFOs and some guerilla missions now.
• The different ammo types feel like they are mostly sidegrades now with their own niches rather than some being the best always.
• Plasma weapons have their own little quirk now to make them more obviously the strongest weapons (1 point of rupture) and end-game enemies are balanced to make them attractive.
• Psi Operatives sound like they are getting every buff they needed to make them actually useful, including: faster tube times, faster infiltration, better scaling damage, lower cooldowns and a raft of new special effects on particular perks.
• Significant changes to Shinobi and Sharpshooter to make more of their perks useful and more varied builds worthwhile. Technicals scale better into the end-game.
• More time to accomplish missions, less punishing reinforcement schedules and smaller pods making 4-5 man groups much easier to run.
• Underinfiltration much less desirable (enemies get more reflex actions on pod activation, more effects on enemy detection radius and on some missions it will prevent concealed starts, reinforcements start bigger), but probably still doable when needed.
• You get infiltration bonuses for taking fewer utility items.
• Easy 1 turn evacs are gone. You'll need to get the Officer ability Air controller if you want lightning fast evacs!

There's obviously a whole bunch of other changes, but those are the standout improvements for me compared to the last patch notes update.

Also, anyone know what a Cyberus is? I haven't seen that term before.

- Increased Andromedon, Cyberus, Chryssalid appearance weights. Chryssalids can happen a little earlier.

• great, libs shouldnt be for liberations sake
• intuitive and counter productive to the hidden game objectives
• great now to make intel mini-raids not suck ass
• they better
• meh the anti- advent round might(probably) replace venom rounds on my rangers
• this will get places
• will never use them anyway, I have maybe 1 run a
• technical will scale like crap with their one 'thing' gutted. shinobis got 1 more useful perk and 2 other gutted. Snipers are just going to switch from serial to double tap.
• great
• THIS IS THE SIGLE STUPIDEST TONE DEAF CHANGE IN THE GAME. The current infiltration is the root of so many issues in LW2 and they go and make the infiltration game harder. 1 step forward 2 mad sprints backward.
• Sure this isnt counter productive. nope
• sure, stealthing nerfs

Tuhalu wrote:It feels like things are moving in a good direction.

Reinforcements won't occur if more than 70 living enemies are on the map.

Underinfiltration much less desirable (enemies get more reflex actions on pod activation, more effects on enemy detection radius and on some missions it will prevent concealed starts, reinforcements start bigger), but probably still doable when needed.

THIS IS THE SIGLE STUPIDEST TONE DEAF CHANGE IN THE GAME. The current infiltration is the root of so many issues in LW2 and they go and make the infiltration game harder. 1 step forward 2 mad sprints backward.

Dlareh wrote:70 living enemies is not a typo, it's a cap on the number of enemies on the map to avoid crazy outlier scenarios. Practically you might never encounter this cap.

• Green: Less than 50% of the time to next reinforcements
• Yellow: More than 50% of time elapsed, but still more than 1 turn away
• Red: 1 turn until reinforcements drop (as per current system).

Dlareh wrote:
This outrage fails to take into account all the changes to infiltration times. You'll have more time to infiltrate overall, so they wanted to make sure that strategic decisions to under-infiltrate would lead to legitimately bad tactical consequences.
needed.

Drogmyre wrote: Flashbang nerf is reasonable, but I'd like to point out, once again, that Flashbangs are the only option you have to disable bullshit abilities like Tongue Grab early on in the game, and they're one of the few non-suppression aim reducing options you have early game. I'm not saying they didn't need a nerf, but I'd like to see alternatives to flashbangs that aren't ability reliant for the early game in particular.

Drogmyre wrote:10% increase on doom generation time is so good though, and seems to have been overlooked. November/December 'you lose' condition has now been bumped to January, so another month or two to ramp up that vigilance, which is nice, coupled with infiltration changes should be sufficient to prevent a lot of the losses out of nowhere.

Tuhalu wrote:

Drogmyre wrote: Flashbang nerf is reasonable, but I'd like to point out, once again, that Flashbangs are the only option you have to disable bullshit abilities like Tongue Grab early on in the game, and they're one of the few non-suppression aim reducing options you have early game. I'm not saying they didn't need a nerf, but I'd like to see alternatives to flashbangs that aren't ability reliant for the early game in particular.

We still don't know how badly flashbangs are going to be affected though. Do these resists work on Sting Grenade as well or just the disorient part?

+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=Gatekeeper, Chance=75)
+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=MutonM2_LW, Chance=20)
+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=MutonM3_LW, Chance=67)
+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=AdvPsiWitchM3, Chance=100)
+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=AdvGeneralM1, Chance=50)
+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=AdvGeneralM2, Chance=75)
+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=SectoidM2_LW, Chance=33)
+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=ArchonM2_LW, Chance=33)
+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=ViperKing, Chance=100)
+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=BerserkerQueen, Chance=100)
+ENEMY_FLASHBANG_RESIST=(UnitName=ArchonKing,Chance=100)

Dlareh wrote:I'd assume it's on a sliding scale, so 0% infiltration can be a tactical nightmare but, say, 75% infiltration won't be all *that* bad.