Savescumming class rolls

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Desslok
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Savescumming class rolls

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I'm into mid April in my 1.2 campaign and had an occasion where i took 2 high aim rookies along for the ride on a 6 man infiltration. Success, and promotion was available for both. I had specific roles in mind for these 2 guys as i needed another gunner & sharpshooter (already had 2 in the gts - technical and grenadier). Exitted back to the avenger, saved the game.. as i knew some savescumming may be required to land these 2 new guys either of the classes i'd desired. First guy became a gunner first pop, so all's good and i resaved the game. The second guy - low health,movement & hacking but 70aim & 10defense - would ideally be a sniper or another aim reliant class.

Assault (13movement), specialist(41hack on spec), shinobi(movement), technical(movement) and the occasional Grenadier(already have 4) all showed up on my savescumming, none of the other 3 classes i'd be comfortable with. This is after 20+ reloads.

Question is: What are the mechanics behind which class a promoted squaddie receives? Do soldiers spawn with a specific number (5?) possible random classes without the use of the gts? My current soldier class list isnt imbalanced, 3-4 of basically everything.

I'll happily use this guy as a medical specialist or another grenadier .. or am i just incredibly unlucky on rolls? would be up to 30+ reloads while writting this post :P
Clibanarius
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The pool you can draw a class from is limited by the classes already assigned that way.

For instance: You get a Sharpshooter and a Gunner first two rookies upgrading. The next 6 will be a Ranger, Assault, Shinobi, Specialist, Technical, Grenadier. Not necessarily in that order. Then the cycle repeats with all options being available on your 9th rookie. If you intend to scum up a proper squad, you'll need to have more rookies to blow through the classes you don't want. AS FAR AS I KNOW, training a Rookie through the GTS or buying a pre-assigned soldier from the Black Market does not affect this pool.
Jacke
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If you want to pick what soldier class Rookie's become when they rank up, you should just install the mod Commander's Choice, as it's been updated to work with LW2. When a Rookie goes on a mission, comes back, and gets promoted, you go into the Armory after the mission and you can promote them to the class you want.

I feel it's a legitimate game choice to move from RNG to the control of the player. I still use the GTS to pick the class as well, as it can be risky to take Rookies on missions.
Desslok
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Re: Savescumming class rolls

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Clibanarius wrote:The pool you can draw a class from is limited by the classes already assigned that way.
Ahhh i'd never triggered that the 8 man class pool from the first mission actually continued in groups of 8 for the rest of the game.. resetting every 9th. That'll learn me for not using the gts :P
Jacke wrote:you should just install the mod Commander's Choice
I may head down that path, cheers !
evilbend0r
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Jacke wrote:If you want to pick what soldier class Rookie's become when they rank up, you should just install the mod Commander's Choice, as it's been updated to work with LW2.
Mod works with LW2 - using it by myself
BR
nmkaplan
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Regarding Commander's Choice... I read a while back in one of the AWC threads that using Commander's Choice can mess with the AWC trees.

That is to say: The AWC tree for a soldier is rolled for the soldier before the soldier's class is changed with CC. So then CC changes the class and you can have AWC abilities that are already on your perk tree or that should otherwise be disallowed. Has CC been updated to fix this, or is it just something you live with when you use it?
Alketi
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Post by Alketi »

I use UseMyClass and I also turn off Not Created Equally. IMO, there's enough RNG in the game without accidentally rolling a blindfolded Sniper. Plus, I want to pick the classes of my Characters.

BTW Desslok, I LOVE your name. Can I assume you have a similar Squad in your campaign? :D ;)

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Jacke
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Re: Savescumming class rolls

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nmkaplan wrote:Regarding Commander's Choice... I read a while back in one of the AWC threads that using Commander's Choice can mess with the AWC trees.

That is to say: The AWC tree for a soldier is rolled for the soldier before the soldier's class is changed with CC. So then CC changes the class and you can have AWC abilities that are already on your perk tree or that should otherwise be disallowed. Has CC been updated to fix this, or is it just something you live with when you use it?
That's the older versions of Commander's Choice, where it worked by allowing a player to change the soldier class of Squaddies. Of course, the AWC choices were made for the original class and were often wrong for the new class.

The latest versions of Commander's Choice work by allowing selection of the class when promoting a Rookie to Squaddie in the Armory and the AWC selections are made for that chosen class and are correct. It also locks out promoting the Rookie on the mission return screen 'cause that can't be changed from using class randomization.
Desslok
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Cheers to all Starblazers fans !
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ps - I sure do have the main characters in my soldier roster .. Desslok is always an officer :)
Fictitious1267
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Post by Fictitious1267 »

LW2 just needs CC in it. It shouldn't be a mod at all. Mods have conflicts at times, or stop getting updated, and many LW2 players just aren't comfortable modding the game beyond installing the expansion. I get the feeling that the vast majority of players are simply making due with what's given to them, and if given a little tick box, they would almost unanimously choose to use it.

Speaking for myself, I had 1 run where nearly all of my starting 8 were given the absolute worst class for their stats. 60 aim sharpshooters, and 13 mobility shinobis are not fun to roll. Maybe someone out there likes that sort of thing happening, and that's cool. Those people should be able to uncheck the CC box, while the rest of us keep our sanity.
nmkaplan
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Jacke wrote:
nmkaplan wrote:Regarding Commander's Choice... I read a while back in one of the AWC threads that using Commander's Choice can mess with the AWC trees.

That is to say: The AWC tree for a soldier is rolled for the soldier before the soldier's class is changed with CC. So then CC changes the class and you can have AWC abilities that are already on your perk tree or that should otherwise be disallowed. Has CC been updated to fix this, or is it just something you live with when you use it?
That's the older versions of Commander's Choice, where it worked by allowing a player to change the soldier class of Squaddies. Of course, the AWC choices were made for the original class and were often wrong for the new class.

The latest versions of Commander's Choice work by allowing selection of the class when promoting a Rookie to Squaddie in the Armory and the AWC selections are made for that chosen class and are correct. It also locks out promoting the Rookie on the mission return screen 'cause that can't be changed from using class randomization.
That sounds awesome. Thanks so much for the info!
cerebrawl
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Post by cerebrawl »

nmkaplan wrote:Regarding Commander's Choice... I read a while back in one of the AWC threads that using Commander's Choice can mess with the AWC trees.

That is to say: The AWC tree for a soldier is rolled for the soldier before the soldier's class is changed with CC. So then CC changes the class and you can have AWC abilities that are already on your perk tree or that should otherwise be disallowed. Has CC been updated to fix this, or is it just something you live with when you use it?
I've read about this too, but I've also read that there was a bugfix since then.
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